Being a Creative During the Pandemic

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About This Episode

In this week’s episode Val and Luis are joined by Constantine and Ethan to discuss what it was like to be a creative during the pandemic. From disc golf to OnlyFans learn with us what took to survive COVID as a creative!

Topics Discussed in Today’s Show
0:00 – Introduction
0:48 – Catching up
10:00 – Content Creators during the pandemic
13:44 – Disc Golf
19:24 – OnlyFans
28:25 – Theatre during pandemic
39:40 – Music During pandemic
52:52 – Ethan’s Project

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Transcript

[00:00:00] When it happened, I watched my entire industry just disintegrate just and very quickly, a lot of us had to ask the question like, what would we do if we couldn’t be an actor anymore or singer? You know, we have some like that happen with Julie Andrews. She had a botched surgery and she didn’t sing for years and she still doesn’t try to make appearances. And so it’s like sometimes things are just it just happens for you. But now it’s you had to get very creative and you took two sides either just mope and cry and break down, which it did happen to a lot of, you know, performers. And then there was just trying to pick up where you are and keep going.

[00:00:39] All right, welcome to The Brew. I’m your host Altricial Imagining today, joined by my co-host, we have Louise Maceda as well in the house. We have Constantine Pappas and we got oh. Oh, yeah. And then we got Ethan Castro. And all I got to say is this going to be a very, very interesting podcast episode today. I don’t know the last time I had a podcast with you, Constantine, what did you say on that podcast? Oh, I might have said something about coronavirus covid and that couldn’t be that bad. Oh, you were on that side of the fence? We had no idea. This was no idea. Even before it lockdown started anything. And we had a conversation. We’re just joking around. We’re like, oh, what is your thing? Kind of locked everything down. And then a year later, now we’re talking in the home run. Quick ask for the room here. You all to get covered. No, get covered. Who knows? No, no, no, no. You know where you’re in a boat.

[00:01:52] You were bubble bubble, your bubble boy. So probably not. Not OK. What you did. I got fucking cold. I fucking rock, I rock. And that man right there who gave me COVID. Hey man I. I have a Stockholm syndrome. I bring my abuser wherever I go bro. Because of your thing we lock him down in like the most crucial time of the whole project. But look at you now. Look at you now stronger than ever x hours before. We already have drama. This is perfect. No, please take it off this fall. Technically, if you was here last week, he was the initiator and then it was another girl before him. So if you want if you want to get mad, blame the girl who knew she was probably riddled with it, didn’t get tested and just passed it around like it always does. OK, pass it off. That’s fine. It’s all his fault. Yeah. OK, we’re cool again. Oh, you could take it on the pick of game after this if you want. Oh yeah. That’s not cool with you yet. We’re all right. Not talking to you. All’s well that ends well. Yeah you can, you can put all of the stress on me but I, I just straight up didn’t know. Yeah that’s crazy. I remember what happened. I was freaking out. I was like shit shit, shit, shit. Yeah. I tried hard, I tried hard to get here recently. I found out. Yeah. Everyone, everyone that’s here for themselves and you get it. Yeah. No one go the crazy parties. We went out for beers one the one time one and I think that’s right. They kind of ruin friendship a little bit. But like we were getting somewhere we were going out for beta.

[00:03:27] So yeah, they’re still not OK with it. We’re going out for beers and yeah. Sure enough man, after that, it’s just like that. That was a hard message to send. Hey, it’s like, you know, like if you get chlamydia, you know, it’s like, it’s like you send that message like, hey, you made me want to go get tested because, you know, I ran it turns out I got it. Turns out I got it. How’d you feel the whole time. So week one experience with it. So it’s a two week thing, right? That’s where it’s two weeks. And like the first couple of days, I just feel like a cold. Like I like a itchy throat and dry, dry cough, all that stuff. But then, like, day seven and eight, I was like Aumann today. I was like, is it? I was like I was like, this is the end of the road for me, buddy. And I remember every day I would text him and be like, you fucking killed me. And and no, but I survived. I’m here. I’m stronger for it. I do little I yeah, I do it. We don’t know the long term. I do. I know that. I know that. I know that my smell is like nowhere near where it was pretty cool. But for sure. Like I can taste yeah I can taste stuff but my smell is still on her. Did you smell it. One hundred yet. Now it looks a little bit. Sometimes it’s good I’m done with you. Notice like what do you notice that you’re not smelling everything. It’s not just like a specific kind of pungency, like literally all smell thank God. Because I walk past you the other day pretty bad. Pretty bad.

[00:04:55] Nothing. Nothing sweet. Yeah. Now it’s like one of those things we’re like, all right. The other day I wasn’t like just generally smiling. I like laid one on the way in. And if you followed you through anything it the other day my dog ate too much cheese and ended up having to block him. No, no. He was like they said he’s like me. That’s why it’s called a block of cheese. This is that that’s not what’s going show. You know, why don’t you make me angry for that moment. For that moment. Yeah, well, yeah, for a second I was like, wait a second f.s.b just cause as soon as of cheese. Oh OK. Very tasty, very topical is weird treats that are just called Jack Treats. For some reason Jack Cheese is OK for dogs. Like to eat a bunch of it and it’s pretty fine but normal. Yeah. Doxxing have it. Normally that we don’t give her that much of this cheese, but we just spaced and she ate an entire stick of it and she just we’re talking just blocks so fucking diarrhea everywhere and started. And then I listen, my wife was just like she wakes up in like like 3:00 in the morning and she’s like, oh, my God, what is that? And I’m like, I’m like, fuck off. And I’m trying to go to bed. Like, I could smell nothing. But apparently the entire dog. Huh. The dog of the dog that the dog shit. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like I’m talking about sort of all the cancer all the time just to make sure. Yeah. So then as I get closer to it I can start picking up whiffs of it. But like she’s it’s wild. Right. That’s crazy. Yeah.

[00:06:27] I can’t, it’s sometimes, sometimes nice. But then we want to smell, I want to smell a nice rose. Well you smell nice. You still can’t smell. I can smell but I have to have it like at a distance not super close but like if it’s really pungent I can get it like if it’s like in that direction. But like a flower I got it has to be like in my mouth. Is there, is it, is there like now. Now I’m trying to think is there like a really keep in mind I want I want to preface what you’re about to ask me. I have no fucking clue. No, that’s OK. Is, is there something like what was the first thing you like tried to smell and you went, oh yes. I actually I can you know, it was a weird moment I was in. I was like, like this is a kid’s diaper and this is delicious over. Yeah. So I, I was like I need to take a shower and I need I’m going to put a few drops of a tea tree oil in here to really just cleanse me out, you know, and I put a few drops and I’m like two or three drops in the shower and I didn’t get anything and I was like, oh straight. And then I went I started going, hey, on it. I mean, just Dashan everywhere in the shower fragrance. And though and though my skin was anything, I was like, what’s happening? I cannot smell anything. And then I yo, I know from my life I’m like the only way to get her, that’s the by having fallen, you know, the only way to get her is to quickly at least is to just to yell help.

[00:07:51] So she comes in, she’s like, what’s going on? I was like, can you smell the teacher oil? And she’s like, yeah, it’s really strong. And I said, I can’t smell it. I can’t smell the oil. And then she stuff is pungent too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Literally it was apparently it was like a couple of drops. Yeah. So then she her reaction menthol. Teach me this is how I know that she’s my ride or die like this. I know. Right. Or her reaction. You know what it was she just said oh my God. And close the door behind her like she didn’t that she cared more about herself at that moment that she was. And honestly she should at the moment. In that moment. Yeah. So stuff like that is actually really interesting just from like a mechanical perspective of like what’s going on. I just think about it like like sound waves. Right. The thing that you can kind of if you push too many sound waves in your body, like physically hurts you if you’re putting that much small stuff into your nose. I wonder if you actually damaging the mechanical portions of your nose because you think you think that the longer. I don’t know. Maybe. I’ll tell you what, though. We’ll find out. We’ll find out. Oh, yeah. I guess in the same same idea, if you ever had like novocaine in your teeth, if they had to draw the testicles on you. Yeah. OK. And you were chewing on your lip the whole time because you can’t feel it. And you started like, you know, you started like breaking the skin. Yeah. After that, you know, releases and it’s done. Yeah. It’s going to hurt and it hurt us because finally the senses have finally come back to it.

[00:09:20] So yeah, I get that. I’m just really good. I mean, I don’t know no one I know. I have no idea. I have no idea how it’s going to affect me long term. I mean, what I think worst case scenario is, I just don’t smell as good. I hope so. What I mean is this what if you, I think keep pummeling yourself with smells? I guess logic dictates that over time, if you do ever get it back, you’ll be desensitized. Yeah, I’m definitely not doing that, though. Like, that was the one time I got teach you guys you guys smell this. Nothing happened during true drag. Anyone dirty, dirty, dirty internet. Oh don’t you know it smells like diapers and it tastes like caramel. Yeah. Yeah it’s a great idea. Yeah. Because you smell it, you go go to Indonesia. That’s going to do it. You can’t put it on like a train station. Can’t put on them. It’s illegal or something but you can’t order it like this and eat it so you don’t have to smell it and you can just enjoy the flavor of it. So it’s perfect for you lose this job. Oh shit. I’ll go in and I’ll totally look at the jacket right now. I’m in. Take a look here. I want to be ready for the hour. I’m sorry. That probably went. What happened. Just to take off that hat. So eating. Go ahead. Oh, that was the thing at which point we would just have to take off your shirt. I don’t understand what’s wrong with that. I mean, if you want to say I have no idea, only it’s coming soon with I can. Oh, that’s a quick subway to say. Okay, okay. What a Segway.

[00:10:45] Okay. So what are we talking. So this episode focusing on content creators and entertainers. All this stuff during covid, did you ask me this before? Before we go some previous with that? I mean, of course, constantly, if you want to. You know, you’ve been on the brew before, but if you want to, like, introduce what your background was before what it was. No, I’m trying to piggyback on how many friends do you subscribe to? Zero, actually. Well, you can check did you on some unsubscribe from me. I’m sorry. Was that expensive, 20 bucks a month that you might say 20 bucks a month just to watch your soundboards on the screen? I just I’m going to take it, OK? All right. But to us. So you grekov in as a pre covid. I’m an actor singer. I was based out of New York. I used to tour around with the Broadway national tour of the Phantom of the Opera and went around the country doing various shows and loved it. It was great. And when it happened, I watched my entire industry just disintegrate just and very quickly. A lot of us had to ask the question like, what would we do if we couldn’t be an actor anymore or singer? You know, we have some like that happened with Julie Andrews. She had a botched surgery and she didn’t sing for years and she still doesn’t try to make appearances. Yeah. And so it’s like sometimes things are just it just happens for you. But now it’s you had to get very creative and you took two sides either just mope and cry and break down, which it did happen to a lot of, you know, performers. And then there was just trying to pick up where you are and keep going.

[00:12:25] You could have tried to brute force a career at that point. Or as for my perspective, I looked at it as a like I try to target it as a year, hopefully maximum two year vacation because, you know, in the Late Show week, typically you would perform six to eight shows a week. Yeah. You wouldn’t have your Fridays off. You would have you have to do two shows on Saturdays, maybe two shows on Sundays. And now it’s like I have a weekend. Now what can I do with that? Like how how can I have fun with that? And so it’s really been a year of like trying new things, learning new things. I focused more on I went into voiceover a little bit, which was a lot of fun and did a podcast for that, Tales from the Creperie. And I loved it. I had no idea I could do an old Jewish accent until I had to for this thing. I was like, this is this is different. Like, Oh, God, oh God, my my sinuses, you know, having to go about that. And then there was and then on the more creative side, videography, photography. I did head shots for someone for the first time and I’d like to do a whole bunch of stuff you didn’t do before. I absolutely. You know, I really honed in on videography, really honed in on video editing with Adobe Creative Cloud. I became an Uber driver so I could still, like, have interaction with people, but also still help out like like it’s almost like a social worker. Yeah, I became a substitute teacher and I learned how to take, like, you know, subjects that I maybe talk up here about. And I had to really learn how to bring them way down.

[00:13:59] And I became a much I think I’ve become a more well-rounded improviser explainer just because I’ve had to force myself into the situations I don’t think I would have otherwise done. And I it was funny when I was when I was flying in, I had written down like, what are all the things I did, you know, this year? And I wrote down, like voice over actor, uber driver. I did. I like a really, you know, small commercial. So I go to Kisco and that was my own, like it was like, go Honda and that’s cool. A substitute teacher, videographer, photographers, video editor. I became a disc golf tournament director a lot and a disc golf competitor. If you don’t know a discomfort. Basically this golf is fantastic. I love it. And so I went, like, really far into it, you know, and I’m just kind of working my way up. Like we had a conversation in the car about how far you gone. Like, if like, hey, man, you’ve got a little too far. You’ve gone too far back out of this stuff. And it’s hard, you know, when you go into something, you really enjoy it. I mean, why are you are you a traditional kind of like here you go or are you one of those beforehand or are you are you are you both looking? It depends on where you’re going for right now. Going for like a curve up over like a wall of trees. OK, for anyone who doesn’t know it, desk office. Let me explain this. If you’ve ever seen people throw like I mean, all of a sudden the air, but everyone else for the viewers at home, just golf. It’s it’s like regular golf. But instead, if you look at a golf course instead of the holes, you have these large baskets, these metal baskets.

[00:15:28] And for your club, you have discs and you you throw them, you try to get into the basket in as few throws as possible. So a part of it was a par three. You should theoretically be able to make a point in golf. That’s for England, the same independent, same distance absolutive hitting with the club. You just you just not just chucking it and. Throwing in like five feet. It’s ridiculous. Yeah, accurate to bullets. I think what people probably or do people know more of just call first or maybe ultimate Frisbee more? I think Ultimate Frisbee is around the 60s, it’s been became more competitive because this is more parks that have some golf. And then there are to be I think college students know ultimate Frisbee because I also know it’s accessibility. And with those fragrances, you can throw them at people and it’s not going to damage them. That’s why I think long term, what if it’s him right in the back of the neck? Well, that’s unfortunate. Were you there when I did that to the fans? Are you whispering? Why are you whispering? Like there’s a mike in of you know, I don’t know. Not right away. I think I was OK. So back on 60 Minutes. The thing I want to try to articulate is I can always say how sorry if you’re watching to basically try to articulate exactly like what the difference between ultimate Frisbee and disco Frisbee is, because it’s like it’s a fair bit of difference because it’s like I feel different. Yeah, well, you know, I remember I just remember he so we went to college together. The one who calling on PolyOne. Yeah. Oh this was I was in Virginia so we just got all secret society, skull and Bones right now.

[00:17:09] All right. Here we go again. We have our friend and we have the Illuminati, OK, we’re not supposed to tell anybody. Sorry. OK, so the difference between the Frisbee and discography, so normal Frisbee, when you play ultimate Frisbee, it’s basically a soccer field, a little bit more the soccer for like three quarters of a soccer field or so. And that’s and if you throw all the way from one end to the other, it’s usually pretty good throw right now. Many people can throw it to the end of one of those. And that’s only that was one of those. Seventy five, two hundred meters, yards, yards. It’s three yards. Yeah. So when you’re doing five hundred feet that’s two and a half. It’s just wonderful. It’s one point seven five percent of what, one point seventy five times the distance of what you just said before. It’s longer, it’s longer than that. Close to 200 yards. It goes farther because it’s a smaller, more compact little Distin and, you know, conserver conservation of mass. It can do the math, but it’s cool. It’s cool. It’s just three times or whatever. It’s cool. That’s cool. Don’t worry about it. It’s longer. The farthest you’ve ever thought a Frisbee. These guys throw it twice and a half farther back, OK? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So wait, so wait. I have a follow up question. Did did you just explain the difference? Because I’m totally lost right now. It’s like, wait a second. All I heard is like, oh, some guy who is two and a half. I’m so he was trying to do so I remember way. OK, so because the difference of the disc itself, because it’s so much more smaller and more deadly, because I was actually hit somebody deadly is the word straight up in the face like as far as I could possibly hit his.

[00:18:45] I’m trying to get to the other side and she’s blocking me. And I went straight and her face I still feel bad about that to this day. Never came back out again because it was just like straight to the face. I yeah, but it was not there nothing other than was like a mark. Whose fault was it. Yeah. I mean it left my hand like probably rocks and. Yeah. But was the person that way, was that like for me it was a terrible thing. I was trying to go around and I ended up missing. Oh she was on you. Lucky you knew she was right. Oh well I’m not saying your fault. It’s still living with her. We won’t hold it over your head. Yeah, but remember, she’s forever. That’s so terrible about that. Yeah, it was. Did she break and or do you think she was like you don’t me. But the point is though is that that can happen with a normal face and walk away from it have happened with one of your drivers. Probably weird special for something thinner. It gets the more like it’s like a blade. It could be really. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It could, it could cut your face. Yeah. It’s what. They’re strong. OK, it’s not that we’ve seen it, they haven’t seen it but these guys are always in trouble. I think from here we should try. And these guys, these guys out here throwing these days, what do you say. Like, like that’s normal to not have seen Tron. I’ve not seen Tron. Why not a single player? One I just have I read the book. I was in the movie. Yeah. All right. Cool. You want to make me mad, Nick. Just ask if there was a problem when I’m angry.

[00:20:10] All right. So now we’re going to take this discovery has every right to be God only fans. You need only know only fans. Now, listen to this story, though. This oh, this happened this was two days ago here, two days ago in this room. I certainly to hold on, wait. I’m on my computer, I’m on Facebook and I have an ad that pops up. It goes still for trying to launch your music career, share your music with your fans on only fans. I thought what a great idea we are. Really. It isn’t just for nakedness, but it. Predominantly is, yeah, be the difference maker. OK, what do you talk to both or Jordan? You know, this is some Broadway musical some people have to see that’s. Yeah. The Phantom with ABS. Like, what do you find? I mean, that’s pretty good. Well, stand aside, my friend. I do. A buddy of mine linked me to this twitch competitor that’s pro not safe for work, so. Oh yeah. Pro A.F.. OK, but it’s twitch so you can stream your game paralyzingly professional. No, no, no. Like you don’t block you if you’re nice. Right. Right. So here’s the thing. You would think that would immediately become like, OK, well it’s just going be a bunch of like all these like all the twitch girls who make a bunch of money are potentially going to go there to make more money. No, no, dude, it’s just a bunch of, like, burly dudes just completely naked playing video playing like playing like when you say illegal agents. Like you say, brother, you mean like like toned, like I know how nose. No, not that kind of the opposite, huh? Yeah. Huh. That’s fascinating. I think I listen to you.

[00:21:51] Oh, thank you. All right. Get out of here. You can advertise your music on there. Sounds good. Can’t wait to get back into the studio and then in front of a camera. There you go. There you go. Can’t you see the concept of doing only fans music, though, is an interesting. Yeah, because I know the when only families get some eyes. Let’s be real though, because just only fans. Because there’s that stigma behind it, you know. Yeah I know. It’s one of those things to wear it. At the beginning only fans tried really hard to be like, please, we’re not just like Prosek’s, like it’s not just that or like nakedness, you know, but that’s what sold them the platform. No, it is at the at the end of the day, that’s kind of what it is at this point. Yeah. You know, family friendly content depends on your family being entirely. Depends on the because it depends on how friendly you are with your family. That’s very true. Yeah. Okay. Okay. I’m with you. Thank you. Yeah. I’m with you on this of the table of right now. Yeah. I don’t think we’ve ever had a chance like shit like this is it. This is, this is the time. It’s that post Kobe thing that I’m your feeling for five minutes and go. We just stare at each other but understand everything. But check this out. So you look kind of like what kind of seriously I the only fancying as a music option, it’s kind of like in between platform music distribution and NFTE because it’s basically you’re making Kurita individual. Well, that NAFTA will come up. No, no, no. I’m just saying I’m just saying, like instead of having a one off thing, it’s you still making like it’s almost like making vinyl presses.

[00:23:23] Right. It’s like a digital version of press because you’re making a thing that’s not super widely available, but you’re getting it a certain unique kind of experience. Premium download of sorts. Right. Yeah. It’s just this what I was trying to do, I would say you get premium content and also. Yeah, I mean, I was like a booklet the amount of times that I’ve told. I totally have. Why are you a teacher? Why what do you want to prove to someone that only bands. Oh you. Yes. Hundred percent. Some of these women I need you to. Yeah. Some of these women. God bless. There’s I’m imagining doctor epidemiology only because they’re making like half a mill like so like obviously this is like up there but like someone who is like not like a modest only fans account is still probably making like 60 grand a year, like a modest. Yeah. At least minimum. Like that’s a modest amount. Depends on the niche. Exactly. And there are people who like they’re making like million a month, like our only fans. Crazy. No joke. What’s your name. My baby. That baby made a million dollars within my first twenty four hours. Bad baby, you know, catch me outside. How about that. Oh my God. She’s so like one pose and pose one million bucks. A million bucks on the twenty four hours for you under twenty four hours wondering oh real. Which only comes to show that maybe there is a music thing or what did you or Blake you never actually seen. I mean or be nature naked. I don’t know. I’m saying for you. Oh OK. If you, if you, if you were naked and singing no show tunes, show tunes naked. Everything’s coming up roses.

[00:24:54] You’re doing it now. Why are you singing in my parade. Why are you putting this out there for free. I still think I’m the only for that. What do you think? I’m clothed. It’s all rip off. If you catch me on only fans, I’m going to make your account. I’m sending to you with all your credentials, everything you’re doing post. I wonder what possible, but send everything to me. Can you come up with the name? I’ll set everything up. We’ll be your your manager. All the content is a good thing. I want no part of this will be the manager. I have a company that will specialize in this. It will make it some entity that just attitudes towards management of research. Could we pivot to shut up. Shut up. Just consult for only and could we consult simply for only like what are we doing with non-profits? And we see mission driven organizations tailored to what the mission is. I meant if my mission is your advocate isn’t only fans. Creators are all mission driven organizations. That’s true. Technically speaking, it is social. In fact, it is. Yet I’ll be an advocate and account manager for you. All we got will keep this up in the next manager meeting. We still you know, you can vote on it and Nikil can vote on it. See see what direction we’re taking the company. Yeah, yeah. We’ll see if I see the future right here. Yeah. There’s a glimmer. Bright is the right way or. Well you a source of happiness with you. Yeah. You are going to be the ones this year. I’ve got your golden goose. I got to do what you said. Ticket. Yes I did ok. He said he’s hard of hearing.

[00:26:43] Let him be all right. I get the golden ticket. I was like, that’s perfect for only that’s perfect. That might be the ticket ticket. The golden ticket might be the name. Yeah. Harold derailed. All right. Content creation. I think you need to find a pathway to get back on the rails. We need to you need to find a policy. It’s like a trolley extreme, actually. Speaking of have you guys played the trolley game that relates to a choking hazard. That same group started happens. Thank you. It’s no problem. As like Charlie is just a Charlie. If I buy it, it’s brilliant. It’s you have these different cards and you have to choose which side of the trolley to go on. But it’s different cards like, OK, you have baby in the kiddy pool on one side and it’s like, OK, not that you have cute puppies and dogs on the other. I don’t think I can go that way. But then it’s called the baby Hitler and then opening a portal to hell and you have to decide which side you’re going to go on. Oh. Which are you going to like. Go on as in like have the Charlie go. Yeah. Oh ok. OK, ok. Wow. And then whoever gets smosh they get a death token. That’s great. And also someone else puts their cards down for what they try to make you choose what they try to make. You need me. OK, that’s kind of fun. Yeah. It is interesting. It’s like a new take on the quick fast. Charlie, have you have you guys noticed that with cartoon humanity in the game, no one ever really wins encouraging humanity. You just kind of peter out. Have you noticed that when they win? No, you just kind of get everyone else loses because after they got money.

[00:28:18] After we won. Oh, yes. Yes, yeah, you’re right. All right. Full circle earlier, I wanted to reference one of those cards from the game against you guys getting married. I don’t know. I just I always had only friends, but too many. Too many subjects. Oh, only. But you said you had said something about chlamydia and then I thought tested other approved Jesus Christ. Good Lord. That’s great. So thank you, gallery. Oh, my God. Yeah. This might be the one this like this might just do it for us. And we have failed in the first quarter. But this bad post, please God, please God, don’t let this be a new face. No, it’s fine. I’m only referencing this. All of the games. Is it too far. We’ll ask cards against humanity. Apparently not, because everyone wants to buy that game. Yeah, it’s very true. That’s very true, actually. Following Jesus. Jesus, would you think here’s the thing. Yeah. So the second coming, you went. You did. You did. You did all of these knickknacks and patty work should and now you are, in your words, a more fuller person. I feel like more well-rounded now. And finally, you know, theater and gigs are coming back, you know, several auditions and, you know, and now you can you can tell the theater director that you’ve done Uber, which I was like, yeah, that’s that’s the other part I’ve done. Like, you also have to wonder, like, did I waste time here? Year everything was closed because there were still people working. But also they already had that in the well. There were so many theaters that just didn’t do anything. And then on top of that, the ones that did do stuff like I know that there was like a virtual one, but like that’s so much like realistically, how can you how it is very hard to tell.

[00:30:05] Like, how can you get in on that? Like, you have this whole you have a world that basically is going to be like that’s like needs a role. Right. That no longer has any roles to fill. And then you have like this one oh this one player two plays that like God. Sure. Like lauded around like oh look at this, look at how incredible is is. It’s like no, if that theater has their actors ready, they know they’re going to go to them. They’re not just going to like, put out a lottery and be like, all right. Anybody who’s out of work. Absolutely. Yeah. So it’s like, yeah, it’s like cool for that theater. But there’s still thousands of other theaters that that wasn’t the case where it’s just super hard. Who saw Hamilton on Disney plus. Yeah. All right. What do you pay for it. Did you not how would you pay for. I thought why wait until it’s free. Right. Well, the price of it, you know, the price of Disney is the best show are our one of the best shows of our modern generation was for free. I mean, if you’re paying the description. Sure. But like even that, like, everyone was like, oh, cool. I get to see it for free. So why would someone going to pay even thirty bucks. Fifty bucks, maybe regular if you’re paying the price of HBO, Amex, Disney, Disney plus in this case. But any other streaming service and this is why the whole concept between streaming and like live like movie theaters and theaters and all these things, there’s a lot of pushback because it’s like, you know, what they’re doing is in locking in, making price sensitivity go way down like people like.

[00:31:28] That’s why I’m with music. Yeah. Yeah. People are not willing to spend anything on these entertainment experiences. And it hurts the creatives because at the end of the day, you guys are the ones getting destroyed in the venues are also getting destroyed. Absolutely. And then thanks a lot for. I would say, though, I will say that it was nice I when I got home yesterday from from our stuff, I looked it up and I was like, let’s see what’s on HBO. And in the Heights was on there. And I was like, oh, it’s awesome. It’s fantastic. It’s so good in the Heights. It’s so, so good. Like to the point where, like, I really want to go see it now, like in theater, if it comes to Pantages. Exactly. Because like it’s like I was out bowling like at the halfway mark. I was like, oh my God, this is like right now in like I’m watching it just laying down in bed, like I absolutely need to go see this. Like, it’s like Book of Mormon. Fantastic. I’ve seen it multiple times. Go watch it. It’s good. I see Book Mormon. You haven’t seen it. One of the pages I really want to and just kiss, kiss, kiss. And then I obviously never saw Hamilton beyond that Disney plus stuff. That’s way too much money. When I remember I was like, oh, that can’t be that bad to fly to New York and go see Hamilton. And it was like cheapest ticket if you got the money, like do it like music man that’s going to be coming out with Hugh Jackman in Sutton Foster. Yeah, some tickets are thirty six hundred dollars. Yeah, probably four bleeders. You heard me right. Thirty six hundred dollars.

[00:32:46] Yeah. You buy almost four Residex. Oh my God. That’s the king of Segway. Let’s go. Oh my goodness gracious. He’s not wrong though. Are we paying or. Good. Can I go back. It’s called product placement. I had a question because earlier at the very end you said that that some people either did other stuff and some people pushed through what the people that pushed through do and everything was fine. What are you talking about? You say, for instance. Oh, Broadway show. We’re pushing through a friend of mine, a friend of mine, Jim Hogan. So in in the phantom cast, he and I covered one of the lead guys and he would understudies are you OK, understudy. And then he left for a bed. He was doing his own thing with a beautiful tour and a couple of other things. And then when this all hit, he was just creating music on tick tock, tick tock platform. Cool. And then he got together with only fans for children. Yeah. Oh that’s it. You got together with two other guys and they, they, they did a trio of into the unknown and just threw it out on Tick-Tock and they garnered nearly two million hits in the span of a day. Yeah. And so they, they kept going with that. And now as of two days ago they Ajita America’s Got Talent, they auditioned for Cool. And so like that whole year they’ve really been just just like crunch and everything out. Yeah. And so some of those like like that. Yeah. That’s what you mean by pushing through. But that’s not quite pushing through in the sense of like still doing that. So they had to give it to everyone. I think everyone in the entertainment industry.

[00:34:26] Absolutely. Yeah I know. Even I mean even even people who are editors and like and stuff like that. So like a buddy of mine, he is a graphic designer and like what does that mean? I want to like a video editor, but he makes like, you know, he makes visual effects. Visual effects is a VFX artist and he’s like an editor as well for Pixar. And like he even said, like like this sucked like he like for a minute, like Pixar said, nothing. Nothing’s getting done like everything I do, mocap. Exactly. You can’t look at anything. So nothing’s getting done. So he’s just kind of like just down Schitt’s Creek, basically. Like he. Wow. Yeah. Like that far not into animation, you know. Yeah. Yeah. That’s I’m saying like it’s like for a while like everything stopped, you know, thankfully, like they brought him back but as an editor, not even as a VFX, it did back as an editor. So it’s like they knew, they knew that they were like, well, we can’t really do any VFX and like for the stuff that he’s doing. So we had to bring him back as a regular video editor. Obviously, he does graphic design stuff, but for the most part, he was just video editing like that. That’s happening in like Pixar. So like, imagine you want to cut like a fantasy example. This is like Bo Burnham’s inside. Have you all seen. Oh, my God, we it’s a masterpiece, a masterpiece and a little. But the dude knew he’s like, I can’t do a regular special. So it’s just him and a camera. That’s it. Like think about it. So I started on YouTube and stuff like that. Yeah. But I’m saying like genius but think about it like it’s like a few people talking or pushing through.

[00:35:57] A few people could kind of be like, OK, well these are my roots. I literally just had a camera pointing at my piano and I would just sing a song that was funny. But he took that to his evolutionary level that he’s at now because he’s had Russian. Now he has a Russian experience. Exactly. He’s the director. He’s done I mean, he did a tambourine. He tambourine for Chris Rock. Oh really. But erm yeah, he got a tambourine comedy special. It was a Chris Rock. Chris Chris Rock. Yeah. I think that sounds right. I know about can we get a Jackson, can you pull up tambourine. Can you pull up the tambourine. Was it was Chris Rock. Right. And all the while Bo Burnham being twenty nine to thirty years old. He’s thirty now. He’s 30 now, turned 30 during the independent filming. Yeah, yeah, we’re not temporary. Go watch Kawashima. We talked about BOEMRE added to the list. Yeah. As a list. But the dude’s genius. Eighth grade. We all also in eighth grade. Twenty four film. No I have you directed. It’s really good you know. It’s like. Yeah it’s like there’s a world out there. Yeah it’s. Well anything. Twenty four puts out. I watch like that’s just like my my bare minimum like oh I know. Twenty four is a production company and they literally have not missed like they make some of the most, the best avant garde, just really good movies. Midsummer 824 hereditarily twenty four eighth grade twenty four. What else they are looking at. Moonlighted at twenty four. Yeah they all the good stuff that’s come out like in the past like five years, even like eight years. It’s more often than not it’s coming from a twenty four like they did smocking.

[00:37:39] They did that. Yeah. Yeah. Anything that’s a using. Anything that’s a need. Anything the Brady type. Yeah. You go like wow this is like really not just like a blockbuster film but something. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Eight twenty four does not miss summer nights oncogenic. I realize that in moonlight. Yeah. Oncogenes it’s only for now. Let’s talk about that accident a couple of years ago. Oncogenic moonlite. Oh oh outland. Whatever it was. No it was Long Island and then they give it back to the wrong card. Remember that because you tried to take that movie, they gave it to Long Island and when it was Moonlight’s and then they swapped it back and they’re like, oops, my bad. Oh yeah, it’s the other way. What’s his name? The president. Harvey. Harvey. Once you know that’s going to do us for this episode, please be sure to. I was going to say that should head the other way. Whether there’s too many of these here. Stop me because. Harvey, stop. Steve, Steve, Steve. I’ll go with the mustache. Yeah, well, see the house. He was the host. Of course he was. It seems so scripted because he said, I’m so sorry we had to do this, but we switched. It was like really stealing because somebody else did it in a different way. So I did it right before it. Yes. No, I don’t. But it was all a flop. Miss America, it isn’t Steve Harvey, just him, obviously, party there. And he fucked it up to time. It was the biggest thing that they had him like. Do it again for UCLA. Twenty four of them. Fantastic. Yeah, we were just going. Yeah, they literally don’t mess. Yeah, man. Twenty four is really good. Like any time I see the twenty four logo in upcoming I’m like add that to my calendar.

[00:39:12] I’m going to go see that feeder’s. Yeah. It’s twenty four is always good. So they’ve been able to pull it out and pin because. Yeah because. Well a little bit. A little bit. But I’m going back to like Bo Burnham. I like pushing through and stuff like that, like that dude. He just kind of had to do something and he figured out how to do it by going back to the stuff and somehow still pumping out super high production quality. Yeah, I think that, you know, they say like during times of like trials and tribulations and times of like really like when like fortitude is needed, the cream rises, you know, like it goes to the top. And like I think you see that a lot. Like there was a lot of people, like you said, just did nothing, just became stagnant, maybe even weren’t practicing. They weren’t keeping up with, like choreography. They weren’t keeping up with anything that they could have kept up on during the off time. And now maybe they maybe that’s going to lead to them, maybe not getting roles, maybe is going to lead to them, maybe not doing stuff or having themselves on a bigger stage because they just said, woe is me, I’m going to go. And you have the people who didn’t do that and they’re in a better position. Yeah, yeah. I killed music for a hot, hot minute or actually I mean, even still people that just started going and going back to studio sessions, there’s only like who you knew that had a studio. And like people are going to go around the big studios. So anything I’m sure people would go right it, which is tough going around the big studios now.

[00:40:28] It took time. I mean, we saw it with Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah. His license. Oh, well, that was that was a while back. And stuff like driver’s license came out like a year ago. No, no, no, no, no, no driver’s license four months ago. Really. Yeah, well, just like the girl and I could’ve sworn I heard that song. Right. How are you one of that come out? Because I know the album came out super recently was. Oh, I’m sorry, I can’t go. When were you released. Yeah. Twenty, twenty one released. But driver’s license could have been rereleased with the album though. Yeah. Yeah. No the first, the first single, the single was released January 8th this year. You’re welcome. This year. Never mind. Yeah I guess. But that’s the point that was between me and they kind of going back and people are starting to slowly get back on. Yeah. But like at the very beginning I remember there was a it called we had to do some project for Riverside Studios and it was like everything shut down. How are we going to do it? And it was like, well, there’s virtual and it’s like the virtual before you even do virtual. Like, well, you know, it’s always been a theoretical thing at this point, but we could theoretically connect. There I can recall from my home and not have to meet anybody ever, and I think we kept it down. I think that when we actually still did in person this because it was like such a foreign concept. Yeah, but but that talking about pushing through the pandemic and stuff like that, you know, the I don’t know if I should go that route for a minute. Go and go. So we the student group at years worked with a kind of worked on the technology.

[00:42:03] What’s your research and stuff? The experimental acoustic research studio at UC Riverside is the place where we did a bunch of cool stuff. The first acoustic event was shot. There is where the foundational technology for our research was created and developed its own person, always doing stuff in person, in their studios and stuff over there. But during the pandemic, it exploded from like maybe 20, 30 people to 200 people because we did everything virtually. We did that one adaptation of saying we don’t need to be in person to create audience stuff. And we do like live sessions and everything, all remote and and made I think we made like 70 songs or something from like the beginning of the pandemic because we had like a like a pandemic starting song. Virtual song really came just last when we did. We’re making 10 to 12 like a full album, every songwriting camp. And now we’re working with people in Mexico and Brazil. And now we’re going to be doing well in South Korea. And when I go to Spain, I’ll be there working with the people from Mexico. Let me say this. He’s going to Spain and it’s his honeymoon, but he’s still going to be doing so. Oh, we don’t do that. Hold on. Hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on. How long are you in Spain? How long? Two weeks, I think. How long are you going to be working on this songwriting camp? Realistically, time here for only two days. Honey, that’s not just watching. That could be worse. You know, that could be worse. I mean. I mean, I do know. Yeah. It’s like, for example, the last one we just did when we had a big it was a big thing for the Transnational Audiovisual Festival.

[00:43:35] Yeah. You see, Racette Usurers at Hostas Festival called Kmetko. It’s a big collaboration between you see basically the U.S. system and Mexico. There’s a couple of schools with Mexico that you see the U.S. system organizes with. And so ours is the one that the arts and humanities people work with is a school in Aurélio, Mexico, called Inam. It’s like for for like high end. And somebody like a magnet student for college students, magnet school for college students. Interesting. You know, like the the cream of the crop go to this is this is a university. It’s a high school. It’s a university, you know. Yeah. So there’s like there’s UNAM which is. Yeah. I don’t know Maiko but then this is a student, this Nazionale superior. It’s usually, I dunno, some. I thought I was surprised when they would see that and that’s not a lot, only more they make or something. Yeah but yeah but that’s no Inez is like the little subsection of it. Okay. Like all the grand part of all the Mexico University is kind of all the perimeter cops go to the one spot. So that’s one of the ones that I don’t know somehow we got connected to. And so we had first we did several months ago, we had a big in camp with them and we made like like some bangers out of nowhere. And who these kids in Mexico is making this dope music and why are they not here or how can we get them? It’s because there’s no access. It’s expensive to come here. They don’t have all the access to all this equipment and whatever, but they’re still finding ways to make it happen. And so I was like, hey, that’s what we share with these kids here.

[00:44:58] And also these kids here have access to technology that they don’t have access to. And so we can kind of get them introduced to it and kind of like these back in channels. And so just over the time of figuring how to do that, we again made like seventy like bangers over the course of the pandemic. And we’ve never met anybody in person. I still know half of the new members. The turnaround time on these songs were two like. Seventy two. Yeah. Seventy two hours. How does this work with the delay. What. There’s no delay when. Because I’m going to want to push you towards here. So what did you do to make it so that there’s no delay. There’s no zoom. Zoom. So check this out. Some fatigue problem. I yeah I remember that one year, three years ago, we started working with Stanford University on testing this program. It’s basically this kind of system called electric. And what it was is basically is a point to point data transmission. Right. So right now, if you’re watching us on Twitch that way, streaming usually works is that you capture something, you digitizes something, you set it up to the cloud, it gets converted into service, although it’s easier to stream on your device that you’re watching it. So Zoom works. That’s how any twitch, FaceTime, I mean, stuff like that face time, just something a little bit differently than other other other things that are live streaming, do things a little bit differently where they stream it directly to you, but they check with the server just like basically. Oh yeah. Gejdenson Yeah. Yeah. It’s easy way. Like, like I just look like no it’s an address book tonight. It’s like where it says, you know, I don’t you know, you may not want to have the same or maybe you don’t have the same IP because you have a DEA agent that’s automatically updating.

[00:46:24] So it just checks with what you’re using. And then we have a direct data stream. OK, that’s how FaceTime and WhatsApp, an encrypted end to end encryption stuff works. Yeah. The problem with that, though, is that it can only handle a certain amount of bandwidth because it’s a it’s a kind of like an unmetered on unchecked. Right, when you go up, there’s a lot of buffer latency, so if you move around a little bit or if you’re in a job, so it’s fine, then it just kind of adds a couple of frames and keeps going. And then by the time you download it, it’s all buffered and ready to go and you can watch the whole thing do stuff live. It’s it’s like watching like a stream come out and if it stops for a minute, you recognize it. So that’s why it’s always been hard. And the infrastructure we have in America is not set up to do high bandwidth. A lot of information streaming at the same time. However, that didn’t stop. This group at Stanford was like, you know, the software is available. We can do it. And of course, theoretically, we can do it if the hardware gets up there. I think we’re at at the tipping point. We’re right about able to do it under the right circumstances. And most people have their fiber to the home or fiber to the network or fiber to your block and incorporate your home, which is fine. And that means that you’re actual latency from my house in like the top part of L.A. can get to his house in San Diego pretty quickly because there’s a fiber backbone that goes pretty much at least most, if not the whole way there. And so that means that there’s pretty much virtually zero latency going there.

[00:47:41] The thing that introduces latency is the buffer that gets added in the streaming services. So if you kind of go around that and you exploit your computer so that you can have and an uncompressed audio going back and forth the same way, which means that you can hear somebody just like we’re hearing each other now, but just extend these cables a lot longer, as if you’re just talking to my years at my house, which still that means that we can create music, a fight song, write together at the same time. Virtually, virtually incredible. Yeah, that’s cool. Because I remember when he when he first brought up that you’re going to be doing that. I was like I was going to work. And he’s like, oh no, no, don’t worry. Ethan figured out how to do it. And I said what I was like, what do you mean? He was like, well, what do you mean? Don’t worry. You can figure out how to do it without any latency. And what did he do? He’s like, I don’t know, we just figured it out. So thank you for that. But yeah, it wasn’t like it wasn’t and I didn’t like, invent it or do something. It’s just like like what is it so important to try to articulate what it is to somebody? Because again, it’s been around since the 90s. Yeah. But it’s such a crazy concept. It’s like you have to understand network topology, computer topology, audio topology and coding topology in order to understand and to get something that sounds like the way I understand what topology and topology. And I was just about to say the reason why it hasn’t been adopted is because it’s a bunch of researchers and they’re saying topology saying, oh, no, you don’t understand the topology before that for the bachelors.

[00:49:04] Get over here. Yeah, that’s the problem. Yeah, no trying to explain it, especially explain to students and then say, hey, use it at the highest level at the maximum throughput to be able to make something useful and creative. Can you look up what topology. Yeah. As opposed to typography. Yeah. Not topography. Topology, topology. Yeah. Either we got you. I got to in my mind you didn’t jump in any jump in you study of geometric properties and spatial relations unaffected by the continuous change shape or size is now so abstract abstract it, it just means about the thing. OK, let’s put it this way. Just to simplify it for a second. Oh shut up. Shut up. Using the lexicon. OK, the way to describe it, when you move audio from one device to the other, it lags. All right. Lag is a word that everybody should know. All right, so now what’s up? What we’re able to do is make it go from your device to another device with no lag solved through topology, through minimal, like, OK, look, it makes it look at the end of the day, the technology just makes it so there’s no lag. That’s the right one sentence. I mean, if they weren’t perceivable, all they said was you get perfect audio with no lag, they would be it would be adopted. Right, exactly. That was a point when they showed up to three years ago, it was like, why isn’t everybody using this? And it’s like, OK, these limitations are certainly fine, but let’s just make it work. And then as things get better, then it will naturally work the way it’s designed to just it’s just like computers and CPU and graphics cards, I think. Did you see Google I o when they announced that like that screen that like the 3D images, that you can have conversations with people.

[00:51:05] The new capability is going to come in. I forget what it’s called. I saw it, but yeah, that thing is so it’s real time. So there’s no there’s no lag according according to what they’re saying, according to Google. But this is again, this is in both of them. The the only two units that exist in this thing are both on Google campus. So it’s like they have like super fast Internet connection to them, of course. But the Google thing, that’s not creepy. It’s really exciting. It’s 3D. There’s like the cameras are like they have depth sensing cameras that can basically, like, tell you like when it’s a background that you’re. My name is Ethan Castro DePaolo, and it’s sick that I think that that technology is so rad like so. And the thing about that is like, yeah, the one thing that they thought it was like there is no lag time in this conversation. So I can and that’s a good video not only with I don’t know if it’s also. Well, this data is data. Right. So if I’m just giving all of your company back into a 3D reproducing image over there, let me guess. That makes sense. It’s like a video game stuff. You’re playing a live session with somebody. It’s not trying to send all that image data over to you, just sending data about where the geometric topology of the person’s speaking. Okay, buddy. All right. And then the computer reconstruction there, that’s why it takes less time. Yeah, I think if Google really doubles down on that tech and then more adoption of your tech, of your tech, but the tech that you lost structure, it was a quantum picture of Jack Trip. Audio over IP is like the overall thing.

[00:52:34] The implementation of the Stanfords working on is conjecture. OK, yeah, I think I mean, I don’t see why, especially after the post pandemic. I mean, we’re so in pandemic, but like after after a pandemic, I don’t see why it wouldn’t be something that gets utilized more because now there’s a connection. Check this out. I think my business or I booked like three to five times more gigs during the pandemic than I could have ever even practically done prepend just because people couldn’t. There’s no other option. I said you have to do it this way if we’re going to do it or do it my way. And if they did it and they said, this is great, why have we never done this before us? Because you thought it was hard. It’s not that hard. You just got to give a chance. No, it is really, really, really hard. I just you to the whole they did is go quickly like this. We’ve done Zoome and they said to take over my computer and I went installed it. I did all the stuff like that and so it was easy. But then once it was set up it was like, oh all right. So let’s, let’s talk about something difficult, you know, what have you been working on this entire week? Are we going to talk about this right now? We’re going to we’re going to give him ten minutes to define a year of research. But what did you do this week? Because you slept probably like six hours total in a whole week. OK, that’s true. So this week. And how many staffers did you learn? Not a minute. So not in a week. OK, so. Quickly, sorry, so I’m bored hard of hearing, I hear through touch, and so when I came through to college, I wanted to show and see if I can articulate what it means to show somebody else what it means to hear through touch who doesn’t need to do it.

[00:54:11] I needed to do it. So that’s why I’ve been mixing music and stuff my whole life. But no one else needs to do it. So I was thinking, hey, I asked my professor if I can get some stuff that actuators and vibration motors to see if I can recreate the sensation of hearing full audio spectrum. But you touch. And so, you know, four years of of a doctorate degree, I made a whole bunch of projects, started the startup company to get more funding so I could create more prototypes and prototype of prototype prototyping investment to make more prototypes, and then drove crazy to make more prototypes and eventually landed to the nth degree of what that technology can become. And so that’s what is set up here at Riverside Studios in the cargo bay. It’s the only place that we can fit. It is a gigantic stage that and a stage that includes not 360, 180, 180 degrees of walls and a floor where the entire facility itself is the speaker. So you’re literally inside the stage, inside the experience of this thing that I wrote for and you. It’s basically the closest you can possibly get to like a artistic creation, an audio visual artist creation. You turn wood into speakers. Yeah, yes. So in layman’s terms, you turn surface into speakers serving the speakers walls in the floor made into a speaker. And there is no speakers at all. It just vibration, more vibration. Yeah, all the walls on the floor are vibrating and it’s creating like micro ripples instead of like big sound waves coming through, which we’re all bunched up in the corners of the wall would never work in a cargo area. They’re creating micro vibrations because the pieces of the wood are flexing at different modes, but basically at different areas.

[00:55:51] They’re they’re they’re vibrating. So it’s not one giant thing going up and down. And that makes a sensation of everything you feel like go directly through your body instead of getting thrown at you like you would if you went to like a concert. I will say I experienced it sitting down and I was like, wow, it’s pretty cool. And then after that, I had to obviously photograph other people as they were coming through and have been doing their experiences. And the difference between standing not on the platform and standing and sitting or standing on the platform is crazy. Like it’s crazy because like and if you if you had just told somebody like, hey, like this this is a part of the podcast, I just blow smoke up your ass because like this is this because this technology is fantastic. It’s if you just have somebody walk into a room and you tell them, hey, check this out and it and you don’t tell them anything, no contacts you. And then they just hear sound and you’re like, oh, that’s cool. Then you have them like stand on the platform and it’s all it’s more vibrate and you’re like, that’s cool. And then but then you tell them like, hey, check it out. Though there was actually no speakers like that whole experience you had. There was no speakers in there. It was just vibration motors that shook your bones and shook the floor. And you heard sound as though there were there was air being pushed around it. I think that’s to me, it’s crazy. Like there was a portion of it when I was sitting there and I was just like I was like, this is the same experience that I would get if I was sitting on that one.

[00:57:21] I was sitting on I was standing. I was like, this is the same experience I would get if there was a speaker somewhere in this room. But again, you have to remind yourself there is no speaker in that room. Right. And even when I guess it depends on how you classify what a speaker is. But I mean, I classify like air being pushed. Right. Right. That’s that’s my classification of of a speaker. But I remember even like when I was in the hallway, that was like a big group, people and I to ask them, like, what would you think of it? And they were just like I was pretty cool. And like the first question I like and this happened multiple times. First question before I was like, so there’s no speakers in there. I was like, no, there’s no. That’s a crazy person. There is no speakers. Yeah, there’s none. None, a zero. Like, it’s just what you heard was vibration. Right. And that’s that’s me is just what I always have to I mean just because I’m writing you hear vibrations, you feel the vibration. What do you classico both. I think about it. You’re so, you know, skin, right. Yeah. So you have the sense of touch. Right. It didn’t affect that one, right. No, I don’t feel any. So I’m numb. Yeah. But like, you know, when something’s wrong because you feel something. I understand your skin is pretty sensitive of a of a sense of, of our senses. But basically you’re all of your senses detect certain oscillations or patterns. Right. So if I’m feeling this, it’s actually vibrating. Right. Although it’s vibrating at the at the material of this material are the rate of this material. It’s solid. Right.

[00:58:36] Your your things are vibrating against me. We can’t it. But if you think about it, that just ascends through the countable oscillations and our ears are actually the ones that have the widest amount of range used to take things oscillate anywhere between 20 hertz or 20 times back and forth to twenty thousand times back and forth, which is really quick. The three magnitudes twenty. For many, it’s twenty two hundred, two thousand and twenty thousand that’s for magnitudes of range. If you think about it, your eyes only see one magnitude of range and that’s like an extraordinarily high frequency that contains all visible light. But your skin can feel infrared light as heat. Your skin can also feel some harmonic things underneath 20 hertz all the way down to one hertz. You can feel an earthquake coming. You can sense that something’s wrong. You can sense that there’s something vibrating coming, but you can sense that the truck coming by, you can sense that there’s a gunshot coming by. Also having any interaction with you. A deaf person can hear all that, too, because it’s all about impressions, about vibrations going into your body. And so the more I kind of dug into vibrations, I was like, there’s a lot more here than just hearing and stuff that you can really do to really not mess with your sense of perception. But like your sense of self, you really he who controls vibrations basically controls the world, because that’s exactly how our entire body engages with the outside world. I want to what I have a question for after the podcast, because it’s something that I something I want to ask afterwards. Like, I think it’s fantastic, man. I, I think I think it’s I think it’s something that I don’t know.

[01:00:04] I mean, I’ve told all this and it’s just it’s it’s fucking cool, man. I guess at the end at the end of the day I could say all these other things, but like the fact that even like the table sample that they all have that shows like how it actually interacts with water and how it’s making sense for making that. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we can you I was just wondering, can you say definitively that your product has single handedly changed the workers obsolete? I’m sure there is still use case, essentially. Potentially, yeah. It’s a better way. Not potentially. Eventually not not potentially. But I mean obviously there’s going to be like the rollout of like people having to understand what this device is all about. And any technology, the the technology that existed prior to it never disappears. Yeah. It it just becomes a very niche like like like somebody will always want a speaker, like your old job or somebody stole their cassettes. Exactly. Exactly. Like the kids today in these vinals. I’m a fan of Vinals, but like cassettes. Hey, the tape saturations. This is it. Supposedly I take it does like a flutter Munsen colorway kind of boost. OK, I don’t know if you’re saying, OK, if I have words, it tapes. When you crank them, they boost the distorting the highs and lows first. So it makes it sound boom, you’re in punch, you are booming and crisper, but it’s all just distortion. It’s just it’s basically OK. Yeah. Nice try. But to clarify, just just to be clear, its speakers are there are many different types of speakers already in existence. The air moving ones is just one type of speaker. Ours is a different is combining two different types of speakers to to create our speaker.

[01:01:50] Those speakers that like you just have to have them on your skin tone. That’s right. Yeah. Yeah. Those are you know, they’re all actuated. Anything that moves something back forth. And actually there’s different types of actuators that push a piece of cone is what we think of the speakers, their traditional speakers. So when it comes to traditional speakers, we’re making that obsolete over time. I think our technology I can maybe not definitively say so. I can never do that unless, of course, you’re a doctor. I’m the business guy. But but I mean, from my own experience, you know, being hard of hearing and kind of assimilating back into the world by touching down and stuff like that, I can probably say that the majority of use cases that we use speaker for today would our self would probably do a much better job. I would also argue that anybody who lives a life where they’re going to concerts is probably hard of hearing. I’m hard of hearing because of all of them. Because as a result of concerts. Yeah, I went so far. So you’re you’re you’re you’re you’re hard to hear. And you could expand you could theoretically expand someone’s hearing lifespan. I honestly felt like I honestly. Yeah. That’s no longer you just we just started it today because the question came up last night from someone who came was like, OK, well how loud was it? Seems loud. And it’s and it seems very plausible to us. We tested samples and because I was afraid, it was like I haven’t tested that yet. I don’t know if I’m actually blowing people’s ears off and I’m just know what is safe is like sixty eight. So yeah. So that’s the threshold for pain or pain.

[01:03:10] But like hearing loss will start if you listen to something above 90 decibels, more than eight hours. So basically it’s like it’s like energy. Right. You can apply a really large amount of energy for a short amount of time and it won’t do as much as doing a small amount of energy for a large amount of time. Like, for example, a drill press versus punch. Well, it’s like grand. Can you kind of theory like water? Slowly over the million. It’s more of like a hose. Right. So Hose will shoot lots of water out of it. But if you decrease the diameter. Oh sure thing. I see you’re saying yes. And so the same amount of water will either shoot out very quickly or it will kind of leak out for all the once. And so the same kind of deal with with energy, which is what we’re talking about right now. So you can have something really big. And shoot it, or you can have something that that emanates chaotically, that’s all about average, right? So, you know, if you go to a rock concert and that’s at 127 decibels, right. It’s a logarithmic scale. So somewhere between like zero to 80 is basically like not that much of a difference, but then 80 to 90 is like, oh, it’s a big difference in 90 to 100 is like a deafening level of experience. Right. So a normal rock concert. One hundred twenty seven decibels. And yeah, if you are there for more than two hours, you will endure hearing loss. So I have hearing loss. Yeah. I’ve been to many accounts from where I live and I go yeah, yeah. That’s golf sensation is pain. You’re, it’s like, it’s like working out for too long.

[01:04:35] Right. Your ears are literally flexing for too long and so you’re hurting them. So I was really strong. I would beg to differ. I tend to do the bench press. Yeah. About Rybka. They may not rupture but you know, they’ll be super sore and stuff and you might be able to build some back, but it’ll be scar tissue, not necessarily good stuff to be sensitive anymore. OK, and so normally when you have a big experience in order to get that amount of base across your body, all those base waves are the things that’s actually hurting your your your your ears because there’s so much pressure in your ears. And that’s what’s forcing your eardrums to flex back and forth. But because the base will go through your body and not through eardrums, then you’re really lowering the load of what has to be hit through eardrums. So our experience, as immersive as it is, and I thought it was way too loud, only registers at ninety to ninety one decibels, which is just at the threshold of hearing loss. But you’re only experiencing, I think for like nineteen twenty minutes. And if you had a whole concert at ninety decibels you’re hearing loss and you’ll have a super immersive experience. I think it was really loud. Yeah it seemed loud but it’s not actually loud. It’s strong because it’s not here. Let me let me play the words of you think we want you to feel music and sound not louder. That’s much stronger. That’s right. I just website copy. No, no, no. That’s not that’s right. Now. No, no, no. That’s actually I told him I really. Yeah. Oh I think I put that into one of our earlier speeches. Oh really. Oh the speech was like, see, you know, we were going to do it.

[01:06:02] We were actually you was a TED talk. We were going to. We were, we were. We were we’re planning to detect the Noppen but X or Ted Ted at UC Riverside. But then the pandemic. Yeah, I got whatever it was. Yeah. It’s your fault. Why did you do this Thanksgiving. Because if you are not to some acoustic David, we would have been fine. I know. That’s why I’m trying to bring things you said. I’m sorry. Like it. Like it’s like I did basically. This is an apology tour. The tour is apology tour. I have a question for you. Every you know, any product that comes out, there’s obviously going to be competitors. How much further ahead are you to your to your closest competitors? How much more advanced is your technology that you’ve come out with is like a year or two years? Because because it’s like a different paradigm, I don’t know I don’t know if we have a distinct competitive direct not to direct a not a direct competitor and if they were a direct competitor, is there tech behind? I don’t. I don’t I honestly don’t know. So to answer that on a non-technical level. But as for for what exists currently, we we’re having to it we’re heading to haptics or heading to things like tactile audio, which is great movement, which are nearest like cousins, nearest cousins. But it’s a feeling sensation. You can’t get like you can’t hear anything. And I mean, you try to speak and absolutely. I still want to try to Hujer that which is another company that exists. And there’s a company in Finland called Flex Sound. And all these companies, they’re heading in the right direction. But I think they’re looking in the wrong angle because they’re just thinking about, OK, sound right now is the best they could possibly with these speakers.

[01:07:34] Let’s just make it incrementally better with feeling it. Yeah, well, they don’t have anything. Well, then I have a hard time saying, no, I’m not I’m not saying like they like what they’re actually saying you, but I’m saying they don’t have anything. They don’t have someone who has your experience. And that’s really what informed our decisions is like, hey, it needs to have these certain specifications that literally don’t exist in a way that combines them to have that ultimate experience, experience, audio like, for example, even like flex time, I think would be the closest. But they don’t have that same experience and they’re not trying to get to that experience. They came from their they came for the therapy. Yeah. Yeah. And so it’s it’s it’s a finish company. It’s energy efficient and focused on doing the wrong things. The Finnish company. And it’s a British company. Look at that. The thing is, it’s very, very, very good. They’re very good at technology. They’re terrible. The Finnish. Oh, they’re done for. That’s good. That’s good. You said the Finnish company and I said we’re about to go crazy thinking that doesn’t even exist. And know what? Finland doesn’t even exist. I read the article. I say it’s non-existent. It’s, uh. I don’t I technically don’t with what it’s like don’t know. It’s like a dumb conspiracy theory. I know. So so just to kind of Finnish people off, he’s the only one I know. Just just to wrap this up and put it in a bow, because something that I want to say, like I think it’s kind of heading this direction, but like is like a draw on that experience, like the resident acts in these things that you’re building. Is this the first of its kind in the world? I would say so, yeah.

[01:09:12] I think that, you know, period. And they’re like, that’s fantastic. Like you you are creating something. You are creating something that is never been made before, technology that doesn’t exist, products that don’t exist. Like you took it from like I have an idea. I want to hear sound. You not only did you create the thing that you wanted, you programed it all those steps. I go behind this. You you coded it, you programed it. You bought raspberry PIs to figure it out. You did all that stuff. And then from what he told me, you’re going to go to custom board soon, correct? Yeah, if not already. Right. We’re in the process of actually making custom boards for this technology, which I like. It’s like, you know, it’s one thing to get like some Raspberry Pi, but another thing to be like I’m going to make some custom silicone for this. Yeah. For this for this board. You’re programing. You’re building a musician. Yeah. And then your listen. Yeah. And that’s think you’re a musician, you know, you feel. But thankfully we got in really good, competent people on the team that can help in those areas because otherwise we’d be better than I am. You’ll have some people from the Harvard of China on your team. On the Harvard of China. Yeah. Is it Vincent or Jamal Winson who did a program over there? Oh, yeah. I think I think you heard about. Yeah. Went to do the program. I went into the program and yeah, it’s cool. But obviously, as you say, everybody, everybody, aside from Vincent, who we call under UCR at this point, let this be a testament. All all the people who are just like who just like poo poo. Why are you going to go to UCR? Nothing like who.

[01:10:43] There’re no smart people there. That’s where the losers go. Like, no you fuckheads like this. You know, it’s the truth. Like we can, we can. And that’s why he’s still wearing his hats. I’m still not sure. What’s your name? What’s your representation. Well, because I went to Fresno State, shout out Bulldog’s Fresno State and OK, that’s your pushing, pushing a little bit. To be fair, I realized it and I’m feeling terrible. The precursor to Rora almost got me expelled from Fresno State and he performed in it. Yeah. That was a what. A time. What. A ton of time. Any time. Yeah there are multiple times but you know that one was pretty good. I almost got expelled. Yeah. Yeah. But that one was the one almost happened. Yeah. I think, I think it’s worked out for you. It’s fantastic that we’re the team that you’re building is Riverside Place. You’re finding people who are local people who at least want to stay local to build out these technologies, because like we’ve said before, like we’ve had meetings with like, uh, who are they? Congressmen? I don’t know, elected. Collective vision. We’ve had meetings with titles, titles and stuff like that. Yeah, what can you do? We’ve had we’ve had meetings with with with topographical figures. We’ve had a meeting with elected officials. And it’s like that’s like the number one thing for them is just like, how do we, like, do this? How can we manage this? And we’re just like, OK, there’s a way to do it. You’re being dumb about it all. You all you politicians are stupid. Like, let’s give it to us. Give it to me. Who’s saying the words I want to say go go for it. Like it’s like we we even told we didn’t know to it is but like we told him it was just like we’re just like this.

[01:12:20] A better way to do this, like off camera. We’re just like there’s a better way to do that because the way you’re doing it is not working, obviously, or I mean, like it’s always like it’s like the pandemic’s like you have to do with what you got. Yeah. And so, yes, unfortunately, politicians have been spread the thing where it’s like, hey, you want the money? I get a Danegeld this, this and this and this. And so if he wants to do that, which I actually helped the constituents, you have to do something that also helps these people. And so you have to find the the jigsaw puzzle that but again, always puts them in a tight spot. It’s bureaucracy. But there’s a way to go through bureaucracy better. I’m sure there’s always a better way. It’s called open capital, not a not a better way to eliminate democracy, which at that point, our capitalist democracy. That’s a different topic. That’s a whole different. Everyone knows that I’m a staunch socialist here. So it’s like let’s let’s push back on. Really. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. But the weirdly though, I understand only fans for I know full circle I’m about it, I’m pro social, I’m socialist. But at the same time I understand capitalism is place in the free markets. The social capitalist for example. So I live for. That’s the only thing social work is. I go back to social work. I’m all for the innovation of like what’s called. I understand capitalism and capitalism funding the we. Are we going into it? OK, I was like, I don’t know if we want to do. Not yet. Not yet. Maybe. No. Yeah. No, but that’s the one thing I think you have to keep about capitalism.

[01:13:48] Like for example, we wouldn’t be able to do what we’re doing with excellent research if we didn’t have the capitalistic structure to be able to raise capital to where we’re doing it. I’m sure I could still happen in a democratic or socialist kind of environment, but I think it would be very good to be different. It would be a different way of doing it. There’s a reason why Finland doesn’t exist, and that’s because everyone just lays back and drinks very softly. RSU That’s right. That’s right. I said A for some reason, so I think a lot these actually were my some of my family lives. But excuse me, I just said nouns and then came up with an apology. Yes. No I mean that is that you want to cut it there. How much more can we say. How much do you want to say? I will say that in about one hour we’re about to do this all again with you, right, project? Yeah. Residex and we’re excited to see a new way for people to experience revolutionary technologies. Yeah. And that’s exactly why he’s our spokesperson and that’s why we’re going actually going to close that. And that was actually most rational thing you said on an episode, and I. That’s right. And the other one is I can’t wait to build another career. Sorry. Sorry. I find a career high gorvy. All right. That’s it for today’s episode for the crew. I hope you enjoyed it. What’s your name again? I’m altricial MOGGI and I hope that I can actually transcribe that correctly this time, since that’s what your actual name very slowly and see if he gets it. Valtteri Georgene, Bald Terry Salo Macchi Sellami. All right. And that’s it for today.

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