What is the No Code Movement?

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What is the No Code Movement and could it potentially be the future of coding? Tune into The Brew as Val and Nikhil explain what No Code is, different services that offer no-code solutions, and how the possibilities of No Code are endless.

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Nikhil [00:00:00] I think having that coding knowledge in general, like sometimes I do wish that I did have coding knowledge so I can do even cooler things that, you know, may actually be possible on a no code platform that I’m not using. But, yeah, the possibilities are endless.

Val [00:00:28] All right, welcome to The Brew, I’m your host Valtteri Salomaki, it’s been a nice little gap, I like I can see your laptop screen on the the the camera right here.

Nikhil [00:00:37] You guys want to see my notes?

Val [00:00:39] Yeah. You got plenty of notes for the show, but it’s been a nice little break. We’ve been busy focusing a lot of stuff, but now we’re going to get back into the full swing of the brew, especially as we’re all now vaccinated. And no more issues when it comes to a potential covid on the show and stuff like that. And we’re all protected. But as for today’s show, we’re going to be talking about the no code movement as that’s been a very important piece of not only the development of free logic, but just where I think everything is going. And of course, today I am joined by Nikhil. It’s been nice to finally have you back on the show after a long, long time. But to get right into no code. What is no code?

Nikhil [00:01:18] Well, what is no code sound like?

Val [00:01:20] there’s no code, but like a little bit more specifics.

Nikhil [00:01:24] So I think it’s pretty self-explanatory. But to get into it, let’s go into some background, actually, right? Yeah. So most of what we people use today, websites, apps, different platforms and programs, different softwares and things like that, for the most part, are made with code and pretty advanced code that takes a little while to learn. And not everyone has the stomach for it, like myself. And from what I saw, apparently only point three percent of people in the entire world know how to code. You can validate. I’m not sure that’s true, but I think it sounds about right. And for somebody like me who got a C minus as an AP computer science, when I was in high school, I figured I’d never be able to create something dope ever like like like an app or a website. But what what these no code tools do is basically, of course, they’re made with code. But for the end user, such as you and me, we don’t need to code a single line to make something awesome. So, yeah, for example, I’ve heard that a pretty standard website could take three to five months to make depending on the size. You could bring that down to like three to five hours or even three to five weeks, depending on the size again. And yeah. So like I use no code platform elements to make websites almost every day, and it’s honestly been a savior because I don’t need to know how to code. Um, yeah. So we can go into the tools. I have a whole list of stuff that we can talk about and especially the ones that we use in the company. But anything you want to add to that?

Val [00:03:09] Yes, I mean, what I would explain for no code over also coding is never going to disappear. You need developers to create something. But what no code is, is that not everybody has to be that developer. Not everybody has to make it from scratch. And especially things like websites, certain applications. They already been made for so many times that there’s already best practices there, like the code is already optimized. You don’t need to, like, reinvent the wheel to make a website. There’s really all these website tools out there. What you need to do is create something called libraries, libraries, all of those code develop libraries that I’ve developed, like a designer can then take those tools and then create a really nice website without even worrying about the code not working. But to get to the point of no code, you have to then first master and understand that technology or what that application the code is first to then create an advanced library set. So like now I think we’re finally in the space of where no code is really going to ramp up just because we’ve been doing things like website development, data integrations, database management, app creation. We’ve been doing that for the last decade. So there’s been so many experts that have compiled those libraries, created it, which I think creates then two different markets. There’s the people that will create those libraries and then there’s the people that are responsible for making something beautiful out of it. Because if you look at websites, you look at apps like in the early 2000s or like even 2010, when you look at like Instagram and stuff like that, they didn’t look nice, but they were functional. Now we’ve moved towards like UI and like the beauty of in the design of it and how people interact with it. So I think that’s where the big push is going to happen with no code is that we’re no longer stuck on can it be created? But it’s more as in like what is the actual use of this? How can we make it better and more applicable to the everyday user? So that’s kind of my take on no code overall.

Nikhil [00:04:59] Yeah. And you know, when it comes to clients and service providers, right. For for for clients, it’s just cheaper. It’s faster, it’s more scalable. It’s more flexible. And like the client can after the website is handed off to them, for example, they can go in and make some changes if they need to. It’s pretty easy. They just need to learn how to use it. So there’s many, many advantages across the board. Of course, I don’t think code is going to die. You can’t because code is what powers these platforms, but it definitely unlocks a lot of potential for many people. So, yeah, without do you want to get into some of these tools that

Val [00:05:43] I think we can talk about the tools that we can kind of go into what that really means in the future. If you’re interested in getting into I mean, honestly, any job, you’re going to have to learn how these things work, but how these apply to your everyday roles and what focus on education, all these things should exist. Right, based off of it. But, yeah, I’m happy to go through some of the tools.

Nikhil [00:06:01] OK, so no one is Web flow in my book. So there’s many website builders out there and they’ve been around there for a while. So we’re Squarespace believe WordPress, but Webelos, that one that’s really driving that momentum forward. Many top freelancers and even agencies are starting to use it. And just the capabilities that you can have with, like making a website through this platform is just amazing. Like they all feel like they’re custom coded. And obviously there’s a learning curve. Again, it’s definitely going to take some time to learn how to use it and use it well. But once you know how to use it, you can do so much with it. So definitely excited to see what more can be done with it. Um, another is editable, so we use this to an extent for more basic things. You can think of it like Excel, but on Excel that can do a lot more and easier. So, for example, you can do something simple like create a continent content calendar for your social media strategy. You can project manager your teams, or you can plan for marketing campaigns and product launches. And honestly, I think we should start using this a little bit more because there’s it’s powerful.

Val [00:07:28] Yeah. I mean, editable is really useful for not only just internal and team, but external knowledge growth. So right now, as I’m fundraising for additional research, I had to create a editable. And one thing is like you can create all the columns. You can create forms that you can then send to people. If they have contacts, they fill out the forms, automatically fills it in on their table and then from their table. I can give you a Google reminder. If they set up appointment time or something I have to get reminded about. So it’s a really good end to end solution that Excel can never do, because Excel is just a static sheet at their table. Takes not only that static sheet, but then also makes it adaptable, based off of, you know, external teams you’re working with or data you want to add somewhere else or organize a project. So it’s quite fascinating to see the power of your table, and I don’t think we’ve taken full advantage of it.

Nikhil [00:08:13] Yeah, and I think technically you can also make like very simple websites with the two.

Val [00:08:18] I’ve never seen that. But I could I could believe that definitely.

Nikhil [00:08:21] Yeah. And you can do that with Knowshon, which is the next one. And I’m using Knowshon right now. So for those of you you can see my screen, it’s a it’s a at its core, it’s a no taking tool. But it’s like you can add you can also create databases and spreadsheets and CRM systems. And I know of people who are basically organizing their entire life on the ocean. And I kind of want to do that a little bit, but not like to that crazy. It definitely takes time. And I know companies use it to for organization and stuff. So, yeah, it just takes no taking to the next level. And otherwise, I think with the things that you can do with it, you’d probably have to use some code here and there. Yeah. Now next one, I’m sure you’re going to love talking about this, but Zapier, which pretty much lets you automate everything or anything. So why don’t you talk about, like, how we have or you have used Zapier.

Val [00:09:18] Yeah. So Zapier allows you to zap. So that’s the whole thing is called you. I call it Zapier because it’s what it’s whatever you want to call it then at the end of the day. But the the biggest problem that exists in any digital ecosystem is that you’re using different tools like you’re going to be using an email tool, you’re going to be using your websites. What you’re going to have a CRM tool. You might have your data analytics tool. You might have, you know, a sales to whatever. You have a bunch of different tools when you have an organization, biggest problems, they don’t talk to each other and they’re not intended to talk to each other and to make one platform connect their data to another. Platform takes a lot of expertize and code to create API keys and like move everything. It’s a pain in the ass. Like, just simply put. Yeah. So what what ZAPU does is it takes those data sets and then you connect it to Zamfir where then you can choose the fields you want to connect. And it has premade integrations. It doesn’t integrate absolutely everything. It’s a brand new platform. Most likely ZAPORA doesn’t have integration yet. That being said, they probably can work on it with you. Yeah, but what they do is that they take all the major tools you have. They centralize it, so let’s say somebody fills out a form on a website, you can then take that data, tell Zappia that I want that data to go into a Google sheet so I can organize that data later. I also want that to go into my CRM system so I can organize that later. And then I also want it to, let’s say, like fire notification to my email as well. And like compile that data. It allows you to connect the entire ecosystem together, which before that was a thing, would cost companies so much money to be able to do so. I know large organizations use it, small organizations use it. I’ve slowly been getting into it because building an e-commerce platform, especially as a small business, you’re not going to have a development team. So one thing I’d like to do is be able to connect all the ecosystems that one hub, and then I don’t have to worry about it. Like I just have to double check that the apps are working. And then once these apps are working, then I’m like, OK, we’re good. They just populating there, but it is popular in there. Do I understand exactly how it works? Kind of. But do I really understand it? No. And do I need to know and that’s the beauty of Zapier, is that it’s just taking that complication out of database management. And now especially with data being everywhere, like we have way too much data. Right. I think that’s why they become probably the most used tool in any data connection. And there’s a lot of competitors now. So I don’t I don’t think they’re going to be the number one forever. But they were the first ones to, like, really populate based off of that.

Nikhil [00:11:56] Yeah. So like, for example, for any companies out there that have like a lead form on their website. Right. If you’re using something like type form to make really good looking phones, which I guess is also a no code platform, typically if you don’t have anything connected, I think the for the results or the answers or people who fill out the form is only available on that website and you won’t really get notified of it of the responses. But if you can Zapier, then you can have as soon as an answer comes in, go to your back and notify you there or your email and notify you there and basically never miss an email. And it saves you time because you don’t have to go in and like, say, oh, did somebody fill out the form today?

Val [00:12:45] And that allows you to do more complicated like advertising strategies, like LinkedIn doesn’t have an automatic connection to your database. Right. Like if a LinkedIn form gets filled out exists on LinkedIn, it doesn’t exist somewhere else. So you can now just say send me an e-mail notification, put an Excel sheet and then notify these parties are like throughout our channel and we’re never going to miss that. Yeah. So it’s like time is money in a business. Right? So I think they solve the biggest problem, which is the waste of time trying to populate and find things when you can just automate the whole process.

Nikhil [00:13:19] Yeah, yeah. And that’s like the business example of that. I think something comparable to that would be like if this than that. Right. Which is more of like a personal use type of thing, at least the way I’ve used it. And I think one use case I’ve seen wasn’t able to pull it off because I think didn’t have the right tools. But basically, if you’re driving home and your garage is Wi-Fi enabled, then your phone’s location will be able to tell the if this then that integrate the integration that you’re almost home. So then your garage can open basically, and then tell Alexa to like turn on the lights, because

Val [00:14:00] I see a lot of problems with the. But let’s talk about the I were like data security because I feel like somebody can just take your phone and just take all your belongings.

Nikhil [00:14:08] But yeah, maybe it’s good. I never set it up in the office.

Val [00:14:15] You have it. You have it in here. All the stuff. I mean, it’s based off of voice control, though, right? You don’t have like a separate like on your phone that I don’t like. Unlock your door. Oh, no. Yes, we’re good. Very good there. Because it gets scared too when you can do data integration to the point using no code and simple things like that. And you don’t understand like the the the back end of it. Right. So then if you have like smart locks and stuff like that, you just walk by the door and it opens up. It’s like that someone just has to steal your phone and not have access to everything. So, yeah, that’s the other side of the equation.

Nikhil [00:14:50] Yeah. Well, another fun one that I did a while ago, it was fun for a little bit was that, you know, how Spotify makes like curated playlists every week. Yeah. Like a discover weekly or like a daily makes one or two. It changes every week or so. So basically what it would do for me was it would take that playlist and create another one that would stay constant because it changes. Right. And sometimes you want to refer back or not refer back, but go back to those songs. So that was like another cool application. But moving on, you can talk about this one as well. MailChimp for email campaigns.

Val [00:15:24] Yeah. So MailChimp overall. So a couple of parts when it comes to no code for email. So a lot of people don’t know that, like when you get, like, a newsletter and stuff like that. Right. That email is HTML code. That has been a coded email. So obviously a lot of email platforms out there that allow you to just, you know, make a template, you know, move things around. But that’s no code. Like you’re you’re developing that email with no code. But the cool thing with Milchan, why I like it so much is that you can create automated journeys so you can use something called tags, audience groupings, like there’s a dozen different features you can do or different fields. And you can tell MailChimp that, like if and then statements pretty much. So if this person is tagged as this, they automatically get an email in two days. If they don’t open that email, they’ll get this next email. If they do open that, you know, they’ll get this email and then you can just design, like, you know, month long email campaigns and journeys. It’s so smart because it completely automates a very time timely thing like, oh, like they just I just sent that email to this person like, no, let’s just automate designed the whole thing up front, especially for e-commerce. You can build beautiful campaigns based off getting somebody from a first purchase all the way to an advocate. And they’re consistently purchasing and, you know, talking about your brand and you can automate that entire thing. That was not possible before. Now it is. So MailChimp and I know there’s other email platforms there as well that are doing it, but I just personal Milchan because all the tools they have and then zap your and then everything else we talked about kind of like they all just integrated together so peacefully without a single line of code, aside from Apkarian, their own website. But that’s like.

Nikhil [00:16:58] Yeah, so next one on the list is one called Voice four, and this is basically it just makes it very easy to create voice apps like for Siri and Alexa and Google Home and things like that, kind of like a dragon job builder for a website and kind of, um, for any anybody who’s using Mirro, which is like a online whiteboard, you can basically set your command or whatever here and then draw a line to the next one and things like that. So that’s another really cool one. Any other things you want to add?

Val [00:17:35] Is that all the tools on your list right now? Yes, OK, I probably can pull different. I mean, the one tool I would say I just don’t remember the name for that sucks about it. But I’ll kind of explain where my entire world of no code kind of started, which is actually in high school, because the very first game I ever developed was using no code. And then I added some coding layers to to make some of the, you know, C.P.U, like the A.I. who like start shooting at you and stuff like that. But it really was a cool platform that you can drag and drop different fields, you can create an environment for a game. And then it was really hard to like, you know, develop the characters because like that requires, you know, graphics and code and all these other things. But I was able to make a functional video game and that was like the most satisfying thing ever for me, because I was like, I don’t know how to code at this point. I know how to, like, take things online and like add on to it. But that’s what that really taught me, was that I should pay attention to these Noko things and, you know, still learn code on the side so I can make them more advanced. But that was my whole start, because I know that there’s a lot of things for app development now exactly like that. And there’s a lot of things where even game development that are like that, even unreal engine has like starter pack stuff that you can do to develop very early stage things without coding. And Eaarth is the other one, so I need to actually pull it up while we’re talking. But I taught a class and you guys are probably should have the name of the platform that I was using to teach that class, but even for augmented reality. This sounds like a very complicated thing in the world that you’re doing. And it’s not because even augmented reality, what you can do is you can do, you know, code to create layers and then you can have environments so you can take a photo and turn into a video based off an action and you have to code any of them. And my main point here, right, is like we talked about so many tools in the development of websites and data integrations and all these things. These are all the things when you’re younger and you’re in school, and especially when you’re college, are taught that these are super complicated. And you’re going to have to do, you know, thousands of hours of research to do it. I spend like a week and watching YouTube videos and Google and I learn how to use these Noko tools. And then all it is afterwards is experience and like practicing it with it, getting better and better and better. And that’s kind of our process that we started with free logic as well. I mean, like the very first website we ever did was on Wick’s. We’re never doing that again. We’re sorry, but you’ve lost our last. This is a customer on day one. But then we weren’t meant to WordPress. WordPress was more complicated because you actually get the code on there and we’re like, OK, we need to find a good tool for this. Then we found a mentor. We started building off a mentor and we’re like, OK, this is great. What else can we do as tools? And we started building, building, building. And I feel like that’s also why we’ve been able to build a strong team, because nobody on our team has to then go through that barrier of entry of like you have to be able to go to website. Yeah. Which is super hard. Very, very difficult.

Nikhil [00:20:20] Yeah, and I mean, I think having that coding knowledge in general, like sometimes I do wish that I did have coding knowledge so I can do even cooler things that, you know, may actually be possible on a Noko platform that I’m not using. But, yeah, the possibilities are endless and I’m just super excited, honestly.

Val [00:20:41] Yeah. So I think where we can kind of move the conversation to is two parts. So one is what do you think the future of new code really is? And then the second part to that is like how do how does the next generation prepare for them? Because I think those two things are really I mean, we talk a lot about education on this platform just because we both have gone through you know, you got information systems green, as we talked about before, you felt like you got a digital marketing degree versus a degree back when you did it. When I did it, at least I was learning Python and some coding and I had to kind of go out of my way to learn some other stuff. But at least for the future, no. Right. So we’re using it actively. What do you think the future for no code specifically is going to be?

Nikhil [00:21:22] I’ll let you start to build off of that.

Val [00:21:24] Okay, fair enough. I mean, where I think of no code is going to go is I think no code is going to dominate almost every single business because the way that businesses operate is based off ahli. So you’re going to be looking at how much you’re spending for somebody to do something and what the value can create out of it is the only companies, I think that are going to be so stuck on, like they’re still going to it from scratch are going to be a brand new start, a company that creates a brand new platform that once again doesn’t have a library or something that can be created, which I do think will have a no code possibility. You have to get to a certain point, but like, let’s say a company like a Netflix or, you know, like a Disney before that was like unimaginable how you create it. Now, that’s actually doable with anything. No code. However, the only difference between them and somebody else who tries to do it is you would want a development team on hand that continuously takes feedback and creates new feature sets. No code can’t do that. Right, because you’re you’re going to be stuck on what exists. You’re not going to be able to create the next thing. You’re going to be stuck on what exists. Yeah, but where I think the future no code is is like majority of companies now are going to they’re going to design like you’re the wireframe. Our websites are going wireframe out apps. They’re going to take a development team and look, is there libraries for this? If no, you create it. If yes. Now it goes to no code team. And their job is then to take the wire frames and design into something super nice, reduces cost of the business and then data integration, all these complicated things that we talking about, database management, all that kind of stuff, no longer is it going to require you to have a science degree, right, to be able to do that job. It’s going to require somebody who really understands the value behind the database and more of the application of things versus the actual core development of it. So that’s where I kind of see the movement going. Tech companies obviously always dominate. So that’s why I’m saying coding will never cease to exist, because tech companies like when I was working at AZRI, like you need a lot of developers because they’re all ultimately debugging things and making it better and building new feature sets can do that with no code. But I would say majority of businesses. Right. That are not trying to make the next tech application. There’s no reason for them to have a computer science person on their team when they can have like a designer, UX designer that can more focus on the application to the market, which I think is going to open up the door to like, you know, the industry way faster, which I think is great. So students right now there are going to school and stuff like that. Yes, learn, learn some code, but like don’t be discouraged, right? If you don’t get it or don’t understand it, be more focused on things like you. We’ve more focused on things like how do I create an ecosystem of data. Right. And then start researching and finding tools to do that, because that’s where I think no code is just going to keep solving keep solving key Solanki solving it. And I’ve seen some some startups right now. They’re focusing on things like how to leverage A.I. within a website to understand, you know, like heat, not behaviors and stuff like that crazy stuff that then the end user doesn’t have to do anything. The A.I. is already doing all the work. Right. So that’s my future of no code, is that companies are going to be able to make such beautiful platforms and amazing things. Workforce is going to be focusing more on design and development versus like the core coding development functions of it. And it’s I think it’s a great time for anybody who’s more of a creative person versus just a technical person, in my opinion.

Nikhil [00:24:43] Yeah. And for things like Web apps, like you mentioned Netflix and all that is to have bubbled IO. So it’s kind of like blood flow, but it’s for Web apps. So I guess for those companies, I like internal dashboards or dashboards for their customers that basically have functionalities, much that are more complex than just a simple website or not a simple website, but a website. Yeah, I can pull back from corporate experience, just like the handoff between being on a design team. And handing that off to a development team is just inefficient and it’s annoying and it’s I’m glad that there’s something that can kind of make everyone’s lives a little bit easier. And yeah, I very clearly remember multiple times where the design team was like, yeah, we can we’re going to design it this way. We’re like 90 percent of the way down there. And then in one of the last meetings, a developer comes in and sees this thing for the first or second time. He’s like, oh, wait, we can’t do that. And then that just like slows down everything and creates a rework and it costs more money for the client, even though they have like a ton a ton of money. It’s just something that can be avoided. Right. So for for a thing like an internal dashboard or a website, while there you might run into an issue where, oh, we can actually do this. The time difference between having to redo something with full on code and with a no code platform, it can be tremendous, you know, like a few weeks to a few months even so.

Val [00:26:36] Yeah, yeah. So I mean, overall, time savings opens up new opportunities. But I think the other part to that equation. Right. Is going to be like, how’s that next next phase of development taught? Because I, I see a huge gap right now in education, whether it’s computer science, the different department. Right. And the business schools, a different department where they should be kind of synchronous in a way. Right. Especially if your information systems. But to be honest, it even if you’re in marketing, even if you’re in operations, even if you’re in management, you should understand as principles. So where I believe education should go right. Is there’s no way a university can teach, you know, all these no code platforms because they’re constantly coming up. There’s new ones coming after, after, after. That being said, they should teach students how to learn how to access and use a no code platform. So I know right now, for example, in the in the information systems, they use a new code to build an actual application. So they are you know, they’re leveraging these things, but they should really focus in on, like all the different departments to like, here’s a problem, go online, figure out different no code because there are a lot of like Zappos free. Right. Like like, you know, MailChimp is free to a certain extent. No, elementary is a free version. So what I would recommend is that they teach like, OK, here’s a problem. You want to learn how to code at all, fix it, use these tools and teach them how to fix it. Using that, that would prepare so many more students. And it doesn’t even have to just be in business school, like even in Sears Department, if they even teach them like some no code things and then how to amplify them using code, for example. That’s where I would love to see education go as we’ve been harping on the show before, like like we want, you know, business school to be more technical, even if that’s as technical as they go. I think that would benefit students tremendously. And I think the students are spending more time online learning those things. And honestly, just go like a community college might have be more employable than somebody who goes to a four year school and gets a marketing or is degree. And all they understand is like some core principles, but not necessarily the actual use case of that knowledge.

Nikhil [00:28:51] Yeah, and in addition to that, I think it unlocks entrepreneurship for people to be maybe a few hours away from an e-commerce website where you can, you know, sell something or even dropship is a lot of people are making a good amount of money. Right. And some of the some of these people even dropped out of school, although those are the people who are like making a big living on YouTube. So don’t necessarily, like, follow them

Val [00:29:20] if they’re selling. Of course, by the way. They do. They’re not out there. If they out here trying to sell a course based on their knowledge, they didn’t make it.

Nikhil [00:29:30] Yeah, well, you know, Shopify is another platform that we didn’t talk about. So Shopify will commerce and workflow. They all have like e-commerce capabilities in a few hours. If you have an idea you have a product that you want to sell, you can make one yourself. And it will come out pretty decently, most likely. And then you can start making money that way, too. So.

Val [00:29:55] Yeah, yeah. So I guess I just kind of break it down because today, today’s episode is ultimately pretty short because we’re just talking about Nokia. We’re not going to some other topics. But the way I would want to close it down is having somebody understand based off everything we talked about. Right. How to get started in understanding and learning. No code. Right. And as I brought it before, I think the best way to start it with is like understanding a problem. And I think the way that we can kind of teach anybody who’s listening right now or listening when we published this on YouTube is how do we go about, for example, building an e-commerce platform? And let’s let’s just talk about that using no code. Right. So let’s say I want to sell. What is this, raising Cane’s little little yellow token. Right. I want to sell this online thing.

Nikhil [00:30:43] We get sued for that.

Val [00:30:47] We’re not going to get sued for that. Now, this is a public good for us. We’re going to sell. I mean, that’s that’s also I mean, we’re going to all crave whatever we’re going to sell. We’re going to we’re going to sell a a whatever product. Right. So it doesn’t matter which we’re going to sell widgets. It’s just just a suggestion. We’re going to sell widgets. It doesn’t matter. It don’t matter what we’re selling. Right. We’re going to get started. The process of selling something right. So started with Noko. What is step one for you? What do you use?

Nikhil [00:31:19] Well, first I’ll go on YouTube and to learn to figure out or YouTube and Google to figure out the direction to start and see what other people have done. I always start whenever I do anything. Just try to get some inspiration. Then where do you want me to walk through my actual process? Like now?

Val [00:31:38] I just want to think through the tools and how you go through the process and think of the tools that we’re using.

Nikhil [00:31:43] OK, so what I’m probably going to figure out on YouTube and Google is to use e-commerce or e-commerce on WordPress or Shopify. Let’s go shopping. I think that is a lot more accessible to most people. So on Shopify, I would probably start with a template that I think they have a whole marketplace of templates where you can start and make some adjustments and, you know, whatever colors and texture you want. I would go and take pictures of my product and I’d go on canvas to, you know, graphic design a little bit, maybe make some ads and some whatever else for my website just to make things look nice. What else? Then I will take my photos and I’ll go back on a shapefile, upload it on Shopify and then honestly, password to pass over to you to make the ads. Right. I was going to get into as well. Like, I think that’s something that’s better for you to talk about.

Val [00:32:54] Yeah. I guess to kind of continue off. So I mean step one all the way to this point, like everything we talked about. No, no could no code. You can go to the e-commerce platform. Right. All the way up to this point. The only thing is cost money is the Shopify, by the way, you get 30 days for free. So like if at this point you haven’t paid a single penny. Yeah. And then what you would want to do is if you want to launch and sell a product. OK, I need to figure out some other no code things. So we’re going to get an email marketing tool. We’re going to get a male chimp once again. You can get the free account and it gets up to like five hundred contacts. You don’t worry about that. But I think a hundred contacts. But you’re just starting out. You’re sure you do that? You connect that to your store and you watch some YouTube videos of how you connect the male chimp to your your e-commerce store. And then from there, you’re going to look at, OK, how do I then understand how my customers are behaving on the store? So then we get, you know, Google Analytics and we get like a Facebook pixel. There’s thousands of videos how to connect. Those two super easy ones can no code. They don’t like Facebook pixels, Facebook for the first time. And there’s probably only time I ever to see this. They actually make a really nice, good tool with you to like add in code into a website so you don’t have to worry about, like, you know, coding and buttons or any of these kinds of things. You can track everything you want on the website. And then from there you go about setting up some ads and tracking that. That being said, on purchase. Right. You don’t know what happens. Like you might get an email notification, stuff like that. It might be hard to document that even though Shopify has its own tool for, like, you know, reporting, maybe you want a separate spreadsheet or something like that to track. Now you just get as zap your connection connected to on purchase, push it back in. You can make your own database and you can keep figuring out what people want based on feedback and all these other things. And you just built your first e-commerce store without writing a single piece of code and you just watch YouTube videos and go on Google. That’s really how easy it is. And like the reason why I just want to break this down to kind of end today’s show is that that’s how we learned everything. Like that’s how we built free logic. That’s how I work with a lot of stuff. If it’s not something that is completely brand new, you don’t have to worry about coding at all. Leverage what people have done before, leverage what people talk about, watch YouTube videos, watch, you know, read on Google. Be very careful taking everything as that is absolute because there’s a lot of false information as well on Google and YouTube and stuff like that. But I mean, I had to debug for example, the wheel covers dropped down for one of our clients and I went through like one hundred and fifty different forums to, like, figure out how to fix that. Once again, it wasn’t that well, I did actually have to code it afterwards, but it wasn’t that I had to, like, learn something from complete scratch, right. I read what was the problem and what people are saying, and then I solved it. Yeah. So there is nothing today that you cannot create on a website e-commerce platform that has not been invented before. So leverage no code, leverage online, learn it very quickly and you’ll have a lot of capabilities that many of your peers might not have. Which one you can be a better entrepreneur, but two, you can actually be more employable because you actually have a portfolio to show that you understand how this notecard moving is going to benefit not only you, but an organization you want to work at. And that that would be my whole take on Nakota overall is that I think it’s just going to enable the next bright minds to create a lot of great stuff for not only big companies, small companies, but also for themselves if they want to be more ideas and make startups.

Nikhil [00:36:15] Yeah, I think the moral of the story is that you can do anything you want if you just do some research

Val [00:36:21] and don’t get freaked out by hearing code like that. That’s the bottom line. It’s like if you’re coding to figure out if you can know coding and you should be good to go. Yeah, but but as as for that, any any other final takes before I start talking about our kind of future guests that we’ll probably be having on the show in the next following months,

Nikhil [00:36:41] Google is your best friend. Ask a lot of questions and you’ll figure it out with no code. You can do almost anything. So I’ll just have fun.

Val [00:36:52] Yeah. So as for now that we’re getting the brushback back and rolling, we have some some guest lined up. One of the guest, he is creating the very first ever NFTE necklace. So he is getting a lot of hype. I just saw that he was published on even like Arab news and stuff like that, like literally in like Saudi Arabia and stuff like that. So he’s he’s globally being recognized. This guy from Los Angeles is super excited to have him on and talk about how his journey to make NFI necklaces is like, nice, expensive.

Nikhil [00:37:23] So it’s a physical necklace. That’s a NFTE.

Val [00:37:25] It’s a physical necklace made out of gold diamonds and then has a phone, phone, phone screen leidy’s made into the screen that has the stuff based off it. And it probably it is very smart idea and it’s a great move. So it’s like once again going back into like, you know, entrepreneurship and innovation that comes out of nowhere. Right. This this kid out of UCR, great story, really had a chat with him, but I’m excited to have him on the show as well. We’re also going to have some other entrepreneurs in different spaces talking about, for example, giving back to communities. And then also we’re going to have some angel investors later down talking about, you know, entrepreneurial ecosystems. So super excited to have these featured guest on the show. But also, of course, we’re going to try to get more diversity in opinion as we head into the summertime and things start opening up so you can get this fully swinging again. But for those listening, appreciate you. Thank you for tuning in for today. I hope you learned a little bit about no code. And if you have any questions, always feel free to reach out to us. Happy to chat. That’s it for today’s Brew. Thank you for tuning in.

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